Divination and the mystery of life

Experienced intuitive arts practitioner, Deanne Mineau, talks about divination and the mystery of life, particularly in relation to the Tarot. As a professional Tarot practictioner, Deanne has for many years offered intuitive guidance through divination.

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Aleksandra: Death Doesn’t Exist

Aleksandra shares her reflections on the meaning and process of death with Carol Sill. These ideas are based in her deeply devotional meditative experience, which has evolved over several decades.
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Aleksandra on Spiritual Evolution

Aleksandra talks with Carol Sill about the evolution that occurs in spiritual life, the awakening to the point where we wish to go further.
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Aleksandra On Spiritual Life

Aleksandra talks with Carol about her experience and learning on the spiritual path, the benefits of the spiritual life and living the right life for you.

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Jody Renee Sillence: Forgiveness

Jody Sillence continues her conversation with Carol Sill on the power and beauty of forgiveness in the path of awakening. If you have ever experienced the deep healing feelings of forgiveness then ….

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The Creative Spark

Expressive Arts facilitator and educator Barbara Karmazyn talks with Carol about her work and inspiration.

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Retrieving the Ancient

“We, the artists, have to appreciate that our materials already come with their own languages embedded inside of them. So our materials are already expressing themselves. So the artist interfaces with the being of the material.”

Retrieving the Ancient – James talks to Carol Sill about art.

C: Hi James. We’re sitting up here on the roof, and last night you gave your talk, an artist talk called “Is there Anything Old Here?” and just now you were mentioning that we have to retrieve the ancient. Do you want to talk a little bit about that?

J: What I said was: we have to put the brakes on and retrieve the ancient before we go forward.

C: What do you mean “we”? Who is doing this?

J: In culture. There’s a lot of energy in the direction of the new, and I’m kind of tired of it. What I want to do is make the old new, rather than make the new new.

C: And you do that in your painting work….

J: Yeah, I think there are aspects in my work that go backward rather than forward. Some observers of my work think that that’s not worthwhile but they’re just looking for the new – period. There’s so much more to perceive than the new.

C: So how do you perceive the ancient?

J: Well, you have to do your research. That’s a really good question. Where do we find the ancient? I guess one answer would be in the aspects of life that never change. Such as, the boring, banal and simple. The boring, banal and simple, I bet, is the same across time. And the thing is, that’s where the metaphysical truths are hiding in plain sight. That’s also the message of Pop Art. The Warhol soup cans, the Screen Tests that he did; there are some good lessons in Pop Art for all of us.

… is wrapped up in learning of language. I think there are only two languages to learn. One is the language of awakening, and the other is the language of materiality which artists know very well.
So on one hand we’ve got spiritual people, working hard, there. And on the other hand we’ve got cultural workers who are working hard where they are. It’s rare that those two worlds come together, and they need to come together.

C: What is the artist’s path? What is that?

J: What do I think the artist’s role is?

C: The artist’s path.

J: From what perspective?

C: Well, let’s say you were an artist and you wanted to take that way as a way of self-development and as a way of understanding the universe. What would that way be? How would you go there?

J: We have to - we: the artists, have to appreciate that our materials already come with their own languages embedded inside of them. So our materials are already expressing themselves. So the artist interfaces with the being of the material. That’s number one.

C: And things are discovered through that?

J: Well then the play begins, because you’re in play with the invisible, in a sense.

C: Would you say it’s kind of like alchemy?

J: I think so, yes. How is it that our materials, plywood, stone, canvas, paint, whatever, how is it that these materials can be as alive before we even touch them, as we are ourselves?
So when you’re making art, you’re not in it alone. The cosmos wants to play.

C: When you say you’re not really alone, are you talking about guiding spirits, that kind of thing?

J: Of course. It’s a good idea to give these guiding spirits form, and to acknowledge that that’s what you’re doing when you’re making art. In the end, you’ve given guiding spirits form. And you’ve collaborated. And they’ve chosen you, in that moment.

C: Is this like the muse, or is it past the idea of the muse?

J: It’s probably past the idea of the muse, but “the muse” will do.

C: Now some people say that everybody’s creative, and everyone has a creative ability somehow, in their life or in their work. What do you think about that?

J: Usually those statements are uninformed and misguided because on the one hand we are all striving to be artists, either in this life or the next or the one after that. At some point …

C: So you believe in the supremacy of “Art” with a capital A?

J: I believe in the supremacy of the creative process. But not everybody’s an artist – there’s no way. Let’s see your art, if you call yourself an artist. Where’s your art?

C: Can people use art as a way of awakening?

J: Well that’s what has to happen. That’s what it’s for.

C: There is some art that doesn’t seem to be referencing anything to do with awakening…

J: That’s because that art isn’t about anything. I don’t know what other reason to make art for other than to give form to the… what did you call them? Guiding spirits. If your creativity doesn’t do that, then what are you doing?

C: What would you say to somebody who is an artist but feels they’re in a bit of a box, they can’t find their way, you know, they’re caught somewhere. What kind of advice would you give somebody?

J: Where are they caught?

C: Well, maybe in themselves or in some idea of what art is or should be.

J: What would I say? …I guess try it on. If anybody wants to try on the idea that everything is will, then give it a try. I don’t think you will succeed very long. In other words, what gives our creativity its longevity? Only that depth of the infinite. If your work doesn’t have that depth then it has no longevity, and it can only have that depth if it’s in collaboration with the infinite.

C: And how do people find their way to do that?

J: Well, that’s what we’re all up against. If you’re an artist or even not an artist, we’re all looking for truth. And truth exists. And there are strategies and methods already expressed, there are clues everywhere. Artists are doing that. Read Marshall McLuhan: it’s all there. McLuhan understood the patterns of how to get there.

C: So how does being an artist change your perception of the world?

J: Well, I don’t know. I’m not sure how to answer that. How do artists see differently from non-artists?
If I’m finding answers in the boring, banal and simple, I know there aren’t very many other people doing that. That’s perception.

C: When you were talking last night, I think you were trying to help people learn to see. And that’s really difficult, to understand that language of art if you’re not an artist yourself. Is there any way that… I mean, what do you suggest to help people learn to see? To see what art is doing, or what art means.

J: I would say if you’re serious about perceiving then you’ll find the way. You just have to be serious about it. And you have to not be afraid to look bad. And not be afraid to isolate yourself as a result.

Somewhere… I read somewhere in a book about Judaism a quote from what I think was the Bible, that said: God says, “Make me known to you.” And that’s what the artist engages in. Should be, anyway. Make God known to you. Make truth known to you. Find it. Try it on. Hunt it down. Name it.

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Retrieving the Ancient, and The Language of Art

James K-M talks with Carol Sill about art and retrieving the ancient.

“We, the artists, have to appreciate that our materials already come with their own languages embedded inside of them. So our materials are already expressing themselves. So the artist interfaces with the being of the material.”

* On the roofdeck, background sound is of the busy street below.
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First Conversation

“Spirituality really appears to want to express itself, it seems to be popping out everywhere. Indeed, the whole world that we live in is just a particular experience and expression of spirituality in its totality.”

An early online conversation between Jim Van Wyck and Carol Sill on Open Source Spirit.

J: Carol and I are here to talk about a new project we have called “Open Source Spirit”  and Carol what would you like to tell us about Open Source Spirit at this time?

C: I think the best thing to say is that we’re applying the principles of open source to the spiritual life, which, actually, that’s been going on for centuries. It has always been part of the spiritual life, but it ends up getting codified and taken into particular streams and “marketed” that way through religious teachings.

J: Yeah, brilliant. Now what I think about open source is that it means that interesting combination between collaboration and individual effort. So that “Open Source” means that the subject, in our case, Open Source Spirituality, is available to all of us and shared between all of us in an open way, and yet individually expressed, and different people can make changes to the source code. The source code in this experience is their individual reflection and their individual expression of the Divine.

C: That’s exactly it. Each one of us is doing this experiment all the time, especially if you’re awakening your intuition or being in touch with some guiding spirit within, you start to develop yourself innerly and find resonance outside yourself that shows the collaboration of others who’ve gone before and use that to work more on your own interior self-development.

J: The way Carol and I have originally thought of this is that Open Source Spirit would have two sides. We have OpenSourceSpirit.org, which is a website and a place for collaboration which is and will always be free and non-profit, and for some of the contributors, or any of the contributors who wanted to promote their products or their seminars or their books or their sacred candles or whatever, there is a place for that at OpenSourceSpirit.com. Now I haven’t really talked with you about this Carol, but there is a lot of information about spiritual paths, the great holy texts that have been secret in many traditions for all the years, where do you think we should put all those texts – on OpenSourceSpirit.org or .com? We haven’t even talked about that, but we do want to republish many of the sacred texts, right?

C: I think we should point to everything in the .com, making it available to everyone for free of course, because it is already available to everyone. That’s what I think would be great: all the sacred texts, all the holy study that’s been done for centuries should be brought together in one place be made available – which it is in the great mind that we all share, you know, it already is all available to us.  As far as the .org side goes, I see that as a place where people are hearing what they are doing, what their development is, asking questions, working within this idea of a greater community of seekers of truth.

J: Yeah. One of my real hopes is to have really a lot of video; video talks, video things. Part of our change in consciousness is a shift more from the written word to visual expression. Just as most of the great spiritual teachers never actually wrote a book, they talked and then their followers later on, perhaps 150 years in the case of Jesus, or 300, 400 or 500 years in the case of Buddha, or really right away in the case of Mohammed, they wrote those things down. But Mohammed, Jesus, Buddha never really wrote a book. So I think that we can move back to, move forward actually to a different expression, by having people talk about their spirituality rather than write about it, although I think the internet is still a written medium but moving towards the visual. What do you think, Carol?

C: I think every medium has its own particular message. Marshall McLuhan was really aware of that. What we’re doing by taking this way of thinking out of the private realm of written language only and bringing it out into the video realm is really an experiment. Because the oral teachings were done face to face where you actually shared the vibration of the individual, of the whole, and of the whole audience while that was being given

J: Yes

C: Whereas now with video, video tends to flatten the energy. So we’re experimenting here to see just how much can be conveyed.

J: Of course. What happens is that I think what is conveyed is the same thing in a different way. Anyways…you are the McLuhan and media expert here and I think that’s great. Now you wrote a wonderful thing, to me, about “this is for you if…” and we should talk a little bit, I think, Carol, about who we would like to join us. So you wrote, “This is for you if you’re awakening intuition, seeing life beyond the material world…philosophical questions.” You wrote some other wonderful things, who do you think should join us. Who is this for?

C: I think anybody who just catches it and says, Open Source Spirit: that’s it. Obviously that’s who it’s for. There’s something a little bit inspiring in the name and I think that each person resonates it in their own way. There’s so much “open source” out now, there’s “open source sewing” for heaven’s sake. Everything is available “open source” now because we know, we recognize that everybody has something to give and contribute to the grand experiment.

J: Yes, those words are interesting: “open” – I think the key word is open. The other ones are grand and have their own resonance but I think openness is where we will find our friends. What do you think?

C: Yes but also there are others that are looking for the source, so that’s a big one.

J. Yes.

C: And the unseen, the fact that there is spirit involved, has to be acknowledged. Because we are going towards that which is unseen or unknown or not perceived by the senses.

J: Spirit, spirituality has this great urge to express itself. It may be the phenomenal world that we feel is just merely a spiritual expression, of spirit. What do you think, Carol?

C: Could you say that again?

J: I said: Spirituality really appears to want to express itself, it seems to be popping out everywhere. Indeed, the whole world that we live in is just a particular experience and expression of spirituality in its totality.

C: Yes it is. And we don’t have to do anything else other than experience that aspect of it. But nonetheless because we’re human and because we can’t see everything all the time and because we are part of this game we have to play hide and seek. That’s the fun of it and that’s the tragedy of it too. But there is art involved in that too. So the idea of playing with the concepts of open, source, and spirit is something that can really – I mean it really inspires me. I just feel like this gives a great model, a lot more scope.

J: Now if you’re looking at this video, and you’d like to contribute, please write. There’s a space right down here below the video somewhere for you to write your comments. Also there’s a spot there to email either Carol or I so that perhaps we can talk to you via the internet, via webcam, and perhaps make a little video interview like this.
Carol, in the bigger sense, what do you think we’re doing here? What’s your purpose for playing here in the world of Open Source Spirit and to help create it?

C: Actually, I don’t know what it is. I want to discover that. That’s why I’m doing this. I just had the concept and I thought I have to follow this through. I don’t know how far it goes, or really where it leads but I’m very willing to find out. I think there’s something really fascinating going on here, and I like the idea of being able to pull all these threads together, just to see how far we can go with it.

J: Great. Well, let’s call it a call here, Carol…

C: I have one more thing to say…

J: If you have a thousand more things to say… we have time.

C: The other thing to say is that everybody makes a difference. Every individual makes a difference. The real purpose of this is to create a basket or a capacity where everyone who is involved in a spiritual path, whether it’s acknowledged exteriorly or it’s an interior path that you only know yourself, everybody has an opportunity to express themselves within this. And this is a huge capacity, a great basket that will help us connect with one another in another way.

J: That’s a wonderful way to end.

First Video Conversation

In our first video conversation, Jim and I are exploring the very beginnings of the Open Source Spirit project.

“Spirituality really appears to want to express itself, it seems to be popping out everywhere. Indeed, the whole world that we live in is just a particular experience and expression of spirituality in its totality.”

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